Eugene Lovchev called his second in “Spartacus” after God. Assuming under God Nikolai Starostin. Joseph Blatter expressed not just figuratively, but not less than respectful, “Simonyan – a living legend of world football!” Now Nikita Pavlovich 89, but his time in the post of the first vice-president of the RFU painted by the minute. For those few hours that the correspondent “SE” held in conjunction with the top scorer in the history of “Spartacus” was clear: his boundless energy, he will give odds to many young. A conversation about his native club – still balm for its red and white heart. To communicate, however, not only eternal, but also about the actual – Shirokov and Davydov, Pele and Alenichev, Slutsk and the upcoming Euro-2016 … But to start a conversation with the legendary Spartacus wanted to things is not immediate …
Theatrical Novel red and white
– I see your book wardrobe – a dream for the most sophisticated reader, there is a classic and modernity complement each other. What do you prefer to read at your leisure, Nikita Pavlovich
-? If we talk about football literature, the modern opus, I confess, I do not read at all. No time. And, frankly, I’m much more interested in the history. Recently, here I rediscovered “History of the Russian State”. If we talk about the eternal, imperishable, the cabinet carefully kept books about Yashin, Streltsov and many other great athletes. On these pages – the memory of what we can not forget …
– It is known that in “Spartacus” has always stretched the intelligentsia, people thinking. And it concerns not only the fans. In what other team as players knew foreign languages ?! In those days – something almost unheard of …
– That’s it! For example, Yuri Sedov was a brilliant English, Vladimir Maslachenko – French, Gennady Logofet – English and Italian. Igor Netto also spoke English and was generally education for your time man, and Alexei Paramonov perfectly speaks on his favorite French today. But I never took up the systematic study of foreign tongues. Sometime after all wanted to learn all five “major” European languages. But when he was put off player. And so all began to turn, that by and large time for careful study to find it was very difficult to posleigrotskoy life. Of course, for many years being a member of different delegations and traveling the world, one way or another you open for yourself the language in practice and cultivate it. But for the lack of a more serious approach will blame themselves, probably before the end of his days ( smile ).
1956. At the station. Eduard Streltsov, Nikita Simonyan, Anatoly Bashashkin Igor NET
-. Many Spartak were regulars theaters …
– true theater team enough. All polls like the theater, of course, could not – it would be like a duty. But by trying to join the cultural life to the maximum. And how could it be otherwise, it has always been considered chic to sympathize with “Spartacus” in the creative intelligentsia. During that time we were sick the whole theater – Large, Small, Art, Vakhtangov … They are almost at full strength come to the celebration on the occasion of the conquest of the championship medals and the Cup – and then the awards ceremony turns into a real theatrical performance. In addition, almost before each game and after it in the locker room, we went to great actors: Ruben Simonov, Mikhail Yanshin, Igor Ilyinsky and Anatoly Ktorov, Yevgeny Simonov – chief director of the Vakhtangov Theatre. It got to the point that when the theater came to audition rookie, he certainly asked about his club affiliation. Sick of “Spartacus” – welcome. No – the question immediately arises
-. Can you talk about the fact that the current creative elite preserved tradition is sick of “Spartacus”? Still, in the troubled times at the turn of the century the club has lost a lot of fans, including in those circles …
– I am sure that no matter what, so the continuity retained. Take, Oleg Tabakov and Armen Jigarkhanyan. At all times, no matter how tough times are not experienced team, she always remained folk. And creative people were drawn to it, regardless of the place of “Spartacus” in the table
SYMBOL “Spartacus” for me -. GLADIATOR, gave LIFE IN NAME OF FREEDOM
– This brings us to the deepest questions – what, in your opinion, is the phenomenon of “Spartacus” is a people’s team
– I will say this: for me Spartacus – Gladiator name who gave their lives for freedom! And this freedom, it seems to me, just beckoning hearts of ordinary people at all times
-. In this case, Nikolai Starostin in a candid conversation with Vladimir Maslachenko kak once admitted: the story of the accident he had seen the book Raffaello Giovagnoli, thanks to which “Spartacus” and got its name – no more than a romantic fiction. Then where is the truth
-? Quite frankly, did not know about this, their dialogue. But the main options as far as I know, there were two. If we discard the option of a historical novel, you can not forget about another – at that time in Germany was gaining ground the opposition movement that fought against Nazi ideology. It was then very popular and is also called “Spartacus”.
The attack Nikita Simonyan. Photo Anatoly Bochinin
– Have you ever had a desire to talk about it with Nikolai Petrovich
– Starostin rarely frank about these things. You know, after he and his family were subjected to repression, it is not exactly become more talkative …
– versions of the root cause of this repression are different, by the way, and to this day … So, according to one of them, Starostin remembered his friendship with Alexander Kosarev Komsomol leader …
– They were really Starostin with excellent relations, and together created the first draft of the union of the championship in 1936. When Kosarev repressed and shot, Starostin remembered the friendship. However, the whole truth, I am afraid we will never know.
In football, there is only one king. HIS NAME – PELE
– have occurred picks Starostin with his brother Andrei Petrovich?
– Sometimes. Andrei Petrovich was a man of secular bohemia – theater, preference, race track, a gypsy wife, with whom he traveled in a tent. Nikolai Petrovich, of course, urged on his brother for his way of thinking. But in these collisions sometimes born of truth – because they both enthusiastically loved football and understood it like no other
-. It is known that the “bohemian” Spartak times very tough getting any of the enemies. Envy
-? Of course. In times Starostin team and called – “boyars.” Someone might pejoratively to call team of? Well, so what if many were indeed to this very co-operatives attached … I’ve got a little bit of the farm “Oriental sweets”. However, for a brief period. It was only later, in the Russian time, Spartak appeared nickname “meat”. Which, to be honest, I can not accept and understand for themselves until the end is still
-. What is the main thing Simonyan coach took over at the teacher Starostin
– The realization that the coach “Spartacus” can only be a Democrat. Even when my coach’s fate was far from being so obvious, I will never forget how Nikolai supported me and taught not to retreat from its principles even in the most difficult moment. I entered the coaching path, in fact, only just clearing off his game form. And if not Starostin has granted me how to say today, a carte blanche, it could emerge in my coaching career very differently
-. You played against many great players – Pele, Garrincha, Bobby Charlton … which one of them is particularly highlight the
-? All of these great masters, inscribed his name in the history of football gold letters. But the number one for me – Pele! As part of the most legendary Brazilian national team he did something incredible. Just inaccessible, as it seemed a mere mortal. I will never forget how in one of the congress of FIFA, Sepp Blatter, inviting to the stage of the great Franz Beckenbauer, introduced him to the venerable public only as “the king of football.” “Kaiser Franz” rose slightly embarrassed, and said the words that I do not forget: “I am extremely grateful for the honor, but you know, in football there is only one king – and it Pele!”
PELE Nikita Simonyan. Photo Andrey Golovanov
-. I know you have met with Football King not only on the field …
– It was extremely pleasant meeting, which I will always remember with great warmth. It happened at the turn of the century. Pele paid a business visit to Moscow, related to the advertising campaign of its coffee brand, is very popular in Russia at that time. He was accompanied by Igor Fesunenko – our brilliant international journalist, who was then working at the embassy. With it, we talked with Pele and then. I remember he said to me: “Nikita, I’m sorry.” I am astonished, asked him – “Why?”. And he told me with a smile in response – “Because then beat you” (laughs). To his credit, we really worthy fought with the Brazilians in the same match at the 1958 World Championships in Sweden. But how to beat them at the time, could not be considered. It is simply impossible – they were head and shoulders above everyone in the world
-. Who else from those against whom you had a chance to play, managed to keep the relationship in posleigrovoy life?
– This is the president of the Yugoslav football Miljan Milyanich federation and English defender Billy Wright (he produced in his time with me a powerful impression of the game), and many others . But apart in this series is, of course, Fritz Walter – a cult leader and captain of the legendary German national team which became world champion in 1954. For that it is the German national team – for us Gagarin in space! For the first time, and forever. It has been almost 60 years since that meeting, and I remember how in 1955, the German team came to us for a friendly match. Imagine? The Germans are in Moscow – only 10 years after the war! But I will never forget in what a shock he stayed on at a high level how we were able to take the German delegation. Inconceivable – single kurtosis or organizational overlays
Do SHIROKOVA complex.? NET will give him a hundred points ahead
-! Back in the day today, in a recent interview you are urged not to dramatize the shift in Roman Shirokov CSKA. “Spartacus” is really no sense to bite your elbows
-? Roman – without a doubt, a great master. Player of what class it is, when it is in its optimum condition (not only playing, but also psychological), we could see by the example of his performances for “Krasnodar”. Yes, all at the same time knows that the character of Roman – not sugar. But all the blame on a particular spiritual warehouse indefinitely is also impossible. Do you know how many characters in his coaching life, I’ve seen! Call at least one of the great Igor Netto, which in this respect will Shirokov hundred points. Dementiev, Salnikov, Gavrilov – none of them was not easy. A Andreasyan in “Ararat”? Harakterische! Nevertheless, each of them understood their responsibility to the team and the fans – and at the right time thinking only about football.
Nikita Simonyan (center) and Roman Shirokov. Photo Alexander Fedorov, “SE”
– I would venture to suggest that the departure Davydova from “Spartacus” has not caused you sorrow …
– Denis – separate and very sad topic. Let us remember how many chances he had with Yakin. Play proves beysya! And how many goals he scored for all the time that “gave hope”? One! And it’s nearly 30 games. Yes, not all of them were full – but it’s adult football where you have to prove your level of play and zeal. Instead, we see a guy in 20 years of football in fact ceased to be interesting – it comes to the collection of excess weight, then transplanted to the “Mercedes” with a personal driver. What kind of progress we say ?! One little talent – talent is necessary to further develop. To do this, Alenichev and sent him to the Czech Republic. The fate of Davydova in “Spartacus” and football at all now depends only on himself.
Spartak spirit YESTERDAY AND TODAY
– How long have you been in Tarasovka
-? in recent years, went there only twice – two or three years ago. And before that it had not yet been many, many years ( sad sighs ). With nostalgia the days when in Tarasovka on the train could safely come to ordinary fans -, to feel part of something bigger to communicate with the players, to partake of the unique atmosphere. This openness was taken as a given. From just such things and formed the famous Spartak spirit. Now, unfortunately, everything is different. And for a long time
-. In the late Romantseva the club occurred in many countries. That at least is the case when Anatoly Isayev, who came to the office of “Spartacus” to the Starostin, took it for a member of the gardening association …
– There is no sense to personify someone -That the blame – whether Romantcev or anyone else. Just at that time, unfortunately, in the club at the same time there were too many people for whom “Spartacus”, its spirit and traditions were empty words. This led to the emergence of the harmful alien present “Spartacus” atmosphere in which and made possible so egregious disrespect the legends team.
Oleg Romantsev and Yegor Titov. Photo Alexander Fedorov, “SE”
– As an example, the unfortunate link Titov double after the debacle in the derby against CSKA Moscow in 2008 … We know that you will then have risen to Yegor side
-. Yes. At the time, I’m sure, between him and Cherchesovym was scheduled for a normal men’s conversation. And not so that it was said to Egor systems: “Go to the double!” Still Titov – an outstanding player, graduate of the club, who gave “Spartacus” is almost his entire career. These people must be treated with particular trepidation. It is a pity that Cherchesov then thought and acted differently.
– But at least, as far as I know, to this day alive a good tradition of the meetings of many generations of veterans, the current just in the 1990s and gained momentum in zero …
– That’s right, we’re going to regularly before the New year. Alas, not so often and in such a large part of how we would like. But it pleases the very fact that such meetings are held. However, the last time the feast was for some reason, was appointed for the morning. On the table hard liquor – and the window the sun shines brightly. Then there was an extremely strange feeling ( smile ).
to become president of the club offers Shatalina And Pervak
– Do not know everything, but you could double to become the president of “Spartacus” in recent history. The first time – in the early 90′s, with the help of academic initiatives Shatalina when FC “Spartak” separated from society and became an independent structure …
– Location you know that? ( Laughing .) I was convinced that this is a rare and forgotten the fact, but he did have the place to be. This is the moment a small crossroads – Romantcev just starting his coaching path and from the presidency has refused. Then really organize an initiative group of intellectuals headed by Academician Stanislav Shatalin. They came to the Starostin and offered to make me president. And I heard the whole story from them already much later themselves.
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